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Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Sui Fai John Mak - Wednesday, 5 November 2008, 08:01 PM
 

A key to Student Success is: Teaching the Teachers.  Is it also the goals of this CCK08?

Here is the link http://www.elearningmo.org/video/index.htm

You will also find various posts on role of teacher on http://suifaijohnmak.wordpress.com

Any suggestions of how Teaching the teachers will work in your institution - using Information and Communication Technology, internet, Web2.0 and connectivism?

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Carlos González Casares - Thursday, 6 November 2008, 04:43 AM
 

Hi Sui!

Working together and collaborate is a good way to do better practices in an educational institution. I think now in the famous idea of "community of practice" and for that there are many possibilities in the web. For me one very useful is to have a Wiki for the teachers to share information and learn together.

Best regards!

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Renee Aitken - Thursday, 6 November 2008, 07:58 AM
 

Hi Sui,

I am responsible for faculty training in technology at my university - we host about 50 short (1-2 hour) sessions during the year on technology - using our Learning Management System, Podcasting, Wikis, Blogs, etc.  and several seminars on teaching and learning with technology (general overview discussions).  Hardly any of our faculty come to our sessions - they don't have to, so they don't.  Most of the faculty here believe that the lecture/test method is the only way to teach and the only way for students to learn.  I am becoming increasingly more frustrated with this mentality.  Even when presented with data showing the error of their ways, they hold out their tenure and proclaim they are superior in their knowledge of teaching and learning.

In my own classroom (I teach to keep in touch with the students) I allow them to use the internet right in front of them to expore ideas while we are reviewing the topics for the class.  I demand participation by assigning them a current event where they go and find an article (web, newspaper, work paper, etc) on the topic, which they then bring to class and share.  The students are not as tech savvy as we'd like to think - and I feel I am doing a better service if I guide them in using information rather than make them memorize facts and figures.  It seems to be working - last year I had one class of 28, this year I have two classes with 23 and 22 in them - and some of those students have had to seek permission to join the class.  They don't seem to have a problem with me asking what they have found on the internet and working through things I don't know with them.  In fact, by the third week of class, we have formed a learning community.

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Bob Bell - Thursday, 6 November 2008, 09:12 AM
 
Renee,
This mirrors my experience. "I haven't time" is the excuse I heard over and over.

I believe we are still in the 19th century (see attached images 1898 & 2005). All you have to do is look at the built in pedagogy of the classroom - rows of chairs facing the front. Also, the LMS still caters to the lecture test method. Just look at percentage of the LMS that is devoted to lecture(linked or original) and quiz management? Both the structure of the literal and virtual classroom re-enforces the lecture/quiz method.

B-ob

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Old Socs - Thursday, 6 November 2008, 09:39 AM
 

Hello B-ob   (I am not trying to control your mind!)

What changes would you make to get out of the 19th century?

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Lisa Lane - Thursday, 6 November 2008, 03:00 PM
  My initial response to this was so long, I'm going to turn it into a blog post! wink

Change the layout of the room. Everyone is still facing the front, which reinforces the didactic, instructivist model.

The 19th century gave us industrialized education. Socrates would teach outside, under a tree, with a small group, for the purpose of developing the individual in a quite different societal role.

If we don't want sheep, we should stop putting them in a pen and showing them PowerPoints.
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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Ines Cambiasso - Thursday, 6 November 2008, 07:03 PM
 

Lisa

Changes can be superficial or really revolutionary. However, autonomous students, ready to create communities of practice and open to net learning don´t  grow and develop from one day to the next and what is useful for one may pass unnoticed to another. What Nancy suggested yesterday small projects and change is extraordinary advice. Agree?

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Lisa Lane - Friday, 7 November 2008, 07:22 PM
  Ines, I'm not sure that superficial and revolutionary are opposites, and yes, if we had such wonderfully autonomous students, we could do more. Small projects, small changes with a big picture, yes, I think it could work. Still thinking how it would change how people think, though...
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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Bob Bell - Friday, 7 November 2008, 03:51 PM
  Not just to you Lisa,

Negative clank - the ideal Socrates unveiled...

I remind myself - that his students were the elite of Athens which was a slave supported society. Also the concept/practice of universal education and its attendant problems did not exist in ancient Greece. (you were not required to read to get into heaven)

Perhaps if we only had the "elite" students in our classrooms we would not need to assess them but only show them the way. But this is not the current situation.

I apologize for the digression.

B-ob
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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Bob Bell - Friday, 7 November 2008, 03:26 PM
  Socs,
An idea that resonates with me has been in the wind since the late 1990's. Why not have great lecturers directly accessed via the web by the students when out of class. Then the instructor could be the in-resident F2F classroom expert to help them digest the material and create appropriate assessments.

Recently in China several physics students hired a graduate student to "tutor" them, The students had downloaded the physics courses from the MIT open source site. They had the content but they needed a F2F expert to help them "understand" it.

This doesn't change the classroom in itself but it does allow the teacher to re-purpose the space into a "Learning Commons." A place where the stage is removed (content delivery) but the sage (subject matter expert) is retained.

B-ob

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Lisa Lane - Friday, 7 November 2008, 07:20 PM
  Except, except, that really great lecturers often include the class as they lecture.

I've currently gone half-and-half in my onsite classroom. Mondays I lecture, Wednesdays we work together.

And we've got a new mode now: presentation, but simultaneous chat room discussion. Surely we can do something with that?
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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Ken Anderson - Friday, 7 November 2008, 07:38 PM
 

Presentation, plus simultaneous chat room discussion.  Hmmmm.

Sounds like an Elluminate session....

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Lisa Lane - Friday, 7 November 2008, 10:50 PM
  Sorry, I was tired and writing! I mean that in general, we have this type of mode, in Elluminate and elsewhere, available for teaching. Kind of an electronic version of passing notes during a presentation, with an option to influence the presentation if the presenter agrees. I did not mean I've done this myself as presenter.
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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Steve Mackenzie - Saturday, 8 November 2008, 07:27 AM
  Hi Old Socs,

Not saying all solutions should be technological, but

In a classroom, what would be useful is if internet access is available via PC, wireless laptop, PDA or mobile phone, then if students have access to the web then all manner of activities can be undertaken during class, with the learning being captured and the possibility of demonstrations and guidance. Once students or teachers finally get used to using technology and see the benefits i believe you will get a snowball effect.

I have successfully split students into groups, for them to dicsuss issues, nominate a scribe in the group then add this to a wiki page. during the class and as homework i may get them to add some tips or notes about the subject of study - good to reinfiorce what they have learnt and for revision purposes later.

non-technological ideas will include workingin groups to solve problems, game formats. All will depend on the learners and their particular context.

Steve


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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Renee Aitken - Thursday, 6 November 2008, 09:48 AM
  Check out this You Tube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnh9q_cQcUE
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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Sui Fai John Mak - Saturday, 8 November 2008, 12:39 AM
 

In this You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L2XwWq4_BY

it concludes: "Each of us must be a learner, and each a teacher.  21st century learning matters for us all".

What do you think will be the role of teacher/learner?

What are the implications of such changes?

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Sui Fai John Mak - Saturday, 8 November 2008, 01:00 AM
 

Here is the website:

http://www.c21l.org

and http://coloradolearns.wetpaint.com/?t=anon

With the wiki as follows:

Help us define powerful learning, share resources and support educators. We want to know:21C Learners - Characteristics

  • How can we best respond to the challenges and opportunities of the 21st century?
  • How can we help empower today's learners and teachers?
  • What are the alternatives to schooling as we know it?
  • What does 21st century learning practice actually look like (in a "real" classroom)?
  • How can I contribute to transforming our educational organizations?

The more voices that contribute to the conversation, the greater the opportunity for our education system to serve a wider diversity of student-learners.

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Sui Fai John Mak - Saturday, 8 November 2008, 01:30 AM
 

Here are the research and resources:

http://coloradolearns.wetpaint.com/page/Research+%26+Resources

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Sui Fai John Mak - Tuesday, 11 November 2008, 05:07 AM
 

Hi Renee,

You mentioned that "Most of the faculty here believe that the lecture/test method is the only way to teach and the only way for students to learn." Has there been any student evaluation surveys done on the faculty staff and course materials, and assessment?  If yes, what are the results? What are the students' attitudes towards the lecture/test methods? 

What do you think are the reasons for such differences in attitudes - i.e. faculty staff and your students in the reception and use of ICT (internet and Web2.0)? 

What do you think will be necessary to bring along changes in the use of ICT (or methods other than lecture and test)? 

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Lee Rossow - Saturday, 8 November 2008, 09:44 PM
 

Sui,

In Queensland, Australia, we utilise the Smart Classrooms Professional Development Framework in state schooling as a mechanism towards upskilling members of our profession in relation to utilising ICT effectively.  This being said, the ICT component is not the critical component, rather the development of effective pedagogy is what enables teachers to utilise such tools/resources in ways that foster positive learning environments.  We have mentors positioned throughout the state who provide valuable support and run sessions about ways in which to do this.  Many of our sessions are specifically designed to support teachers going for their licence (see attachment), and ultimately improving their practice, to support, enhance, engage and transform the learning which takes place in their classrooms (and beyond).  Thus, improving learning opportunities for all students in our state schooling system.  Our government has expended millions of dollars in support of this initiative with huge benefits for our students.  This has come in the form of providing laptops and a centrally managed system, along with providing people on the ground to promote effective use of such resources.  We run sessions on the use of Web 2.0 tools, the internet, and discuss connectivism as one of many learning theories that enhance such preparation for creating learning environments and opportunities for students to interact/participate with others in online projects.  Without such dedicated and professional people, how else could we possible move forward at such a rate as we currently are.  As one of these mentors, I have gained much satisfaction in seeing my colleagues 'get it', and in witnessing the growth and re-engagement of so many students throughout Queensland.  This model is one which has worked extremely well for us and continues to play a critical role in further developing our profession here.  For more information about our framework, please visit the following website: http://education.qld.gov.au/smartclassrooms.  I look forward to hearing what other educational institutions and bodies are doing.

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Sui Fai John Mak - Monday, 10 November 2008, 06:38 PM
 

Thanks Lee for your valuable information about the development in Queensland.

There are lots of professional development opportunities available in institutions (Vocational Education and Training - VET in particular).

For instance, in my organisation - TAFE (Technical and Further Education) - New South Wales, we have websites developed under My learning and e-learning, and lots of professional development activities - Assessor Networks, various e-learning conferences and frameworks, and weekly Adobe training sessions/workshops on podcasting, blogs, wikis, e-beams, etc. We have also got e-learning mentors whose roles are to support the professional development of staff in the use of information and communication technologies.

The role of the teacher could be (a to z):

(a) as an assessor (especially in the recognition of prior learning, and recognition of current competency)

(b) as a bright philosopher (an expert in philosophy or in one of its branches, who searches by logical reasoning, for understanding of the basic truths and principles of the universe, life, and morals, and of human perception and understanding of these) - George, Stephen, Dave, Anthony, Nancy......

(c) as a consultant or advisor to industry, or consultant or coach on auspicing

(d) as a course or curriculum designer/reviewer (e) as a mentor/coach (especially for trainees and apprentice or interns, whereas the supervisor or an experienced expert/head teacher would be a mentor/coach)

(e) as an expert (or e-expert)

(f) as a facilitator (facilitation of discussions and learning activities)

(g) as a gardener (as mentioned by Lisa), guardian angel (Maru)  

(h)smile as an hononary advisor (in case of research projects)

(i) as an education and learning innovator

(j) as an (joint) examiner or moderator (to other institutions, universities)

(k) as a gate keeper

(l) as a learning team leader/facilitator/supervisor (whereas a learning team consists of the learner(s), the supervisor, a mentor, and the teacher/leader, librarian)

(m) as a manager/administrator (self learning manager and network administrator), as a lecturer (as typical in giving lectures in those conferences or university courses)

(n) as a course or network leader

(o) as a student counsellor/carer

(p) as a learning partner (similar to the co-learner) in this course Ariel, Bob, Carlos, Dave, Frances, Jenny, Keith, Ken, Jenny, Lee, Lisa, Mark, Maru, Pat, Renee, Roy, Tom, etc. Sorry that I couldn't list everyone, but you are definitely here.

(q) as a curator (pronounced with q..)(as mentioned by Lisa)

(r) as a researcher/research leader (this may be one of the most important roles of University professors or lecturers)

(s) as an e-learning or project or subject coordinator/developer (wiki, edublogs)

(t)  as a trainer, tutor/learning supporter or guide (like a tourist guide)

(u) (you) as a challenger (weight loss education program etc), Alec, Ariel, Frances, Jenny, Ken, Dave, George Siemens, Maru, Stephen Downes, Pat, Tom, etc.

(v) (we) as a change agent (Nancy White, Stephen Downes, George Siemens etc.)

(w) as a wizard (or better a magician) (as mentioned by Lisa), and a weaver (mentioned by Lisa) - Frances, Tom, Mark, and George and Stephen

(x) as a x-man or x-woman (who could transform the education) (George, Stephen, Lisa, Frances and you?)

[[yes]] as a why-why questioner (always ask why?)

(z) as a ________ ( you name it)

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Re: Teaching the Teachers: A key to Student Success
by Sui Fai John Mak - Monday, 10 November 2008, 08:34 PM
 

Have you identified your changed/changing role as an educator/teacher at this digital age?

Which of those roles match those of an applied connectivist?

How many of those roles match that of the 21 century learner (see previous post)?

It may be of interest to have a survey of the above using wiki or edublog or a show of hands in a Elluminate or Ustream, followed by discussion.

Would you like to have a wiki on this?  Anyone interested?

Please leave a comment if you wish to go ahead in

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