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Thanks Virginia, So yur perspective " comes from the changes that is the result of globalization and the use of ICT's". OK. And we know that ICT, the org view, and media, the outside of org view, is attempting to merge. The TV and PC are becoming TPC. We also know that web 2.0 stuff is changing inside/outside perspectives, say from this to this. Problem is, we are trying to watch the change in one-way institutional & National media towards a model where two-way media is built around global groups (that's my thesis) . And we are in a bit of muddle aren't we? On one hand we have the institutionalists lining up their technologies a la ltc.unimanitoba = wikis, globs, moodles (but no youtube yet), and on the outside we can see members of the same community doing exactly the same thing! So when a global community gets together for a conference, and it's hosted in an institutional domain, the links to the differently formatted learning objects on the outside point to (in this case, looking down the right hand side) a place on nine different (web 2.0) networks. Let me pose this idea to you. We are watching the advent of interactive narrowcasting stations built around subject specific global groups. Academics seem universally unqualified for taking advantage of this shift as they confuse eteaching with elearning, and their multimedia production skills, to be polite, are lacking. To be clear let me use Megatrends definition. 'Elearning is the use of new multimedia technologies and the Internet to improve the quality of learning by facilitating access to resources and services as well as remote exchanges and collobaration' While academics theorize about what, due to IP technologies, may be happening, media students interested in the same sort of things are busily building the kind of global learning environments .ac's can only dream about. And guess what? People keep coming back, again and again and again. Quite an achievement, which makes them sustainable with gov funding. But I can't see that we will really see a way forward until national librarians have agreed on a classification system for similar global groups. Say groups.edu, groups.edu.au or groups.ac.uk. Can't see what is would be for the .ca domain. Do you have a domain for edu institutions? |
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You're absolutely right. There are so many ways to 'connect'. One of the nicest i heard was in India where county folk can ring ( using a grameen bank funded village phone) & ask questions of their radio station, who google or whatever, and broadcast the answers. The point I'm making is that we stand in this half way house between one way (institutional and semantic media) and interactive (grouped and fixed) stuff. Unless we start thinking about building C and i (as in ICT) networks around working groups, their communities of interest - the outsiders - can never find them. They never get a feel for what the conversations are about, and find one which is interesting enough to rivet them to one spot for more than 10 secs. They can never, as is the case in most supposedly interactive media, reach the mass to become sustainable, because they have no (social) online home where they can get their confidence up (apart from their personal space of course). To get what I'm saying yu have to think from an outsiders' perspective. I'm not saying yu or yur merry band should do much differently. I'm just saying that yu have to think about yur groupings by the conversations yu have, not the institutions in which yur group lives, give them a fixed spot in cyberspace, and bring yur libraries to the comms hub. Think about it. That colleague of 4 years, who with one meeting yu began a wonderful (professional = interest) relationship. If anyone wanted to see the story of the global group(s) of people you had met, and introduced and developed, where would you go? There's no way you could see it. All you'll see is conference materials scattered, year by year, around different insitutional domains, and journals compiled on another, and a forum here, a blog and wiki there, and perhaps a video somewhere else. The web (2.0) is a vast unclassfied library of differently formatted domains. I always draw the analogy of these global times and those when printing presses were making some impression on English society. It's a transition in publishing. At the same time it's a transition in communication, and convergence between the two. So if we want to connect the two kinds of networks (IP and PSTN), we'll need to be a bit more precise than just semantics. Otherwise our mobile centric friends won't be able to connect, and vice versa. |
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Thanks Virginia. Now don't get humble on me. I'll leave your sister to do that, as my bruv does for me. I think yu meant to say though, "if these fields are thinking the same kinds of things, why aren't they interacting". If this is correct, then let me just drop this idea on you. We learn in small global groups. So (try and) forget the national/global institutions for just a minute. All we are talking about, in the first instance, is how do we give subject specific groups a fixed spot in cyberspace, so communities of interest can find them and perhaps ask a question. We can't use our merry band as an example, because, for a group to be sustainable, it must relate to a practice (full of techniques). So let's use an obvious grouping - web designers and programmers. If we google web design community, we end up with quite an extensive list. Let's choose this one. And track down the group who run it. You can look around the environment and see from the top tool bar that they have most formats (blogs, videos, books, kits, etc, and a forum with around 2000 attendees, 24/7). Others, like wikis, tend to be hidden as they are used for private groups who are doing a particular project or development. OK, so that's the kind of environment which makes this place 250 on Alexa's global top 500. Its sustainable through (if yu haven't noticed, argghh!) ads, kits and book sales, eTc. So that's what happens in the global .com space. In the .edu space though we need a systematic way for each national group (as that's how they're funded) to connect to their global peers. They need to run their own national "sitepoints", and be able to connect (conference) at times (or permanently), and perhaps share their libraries rather than duplicating them. To do that we need to classify their nodes in the same manner in each country's .edu domain. My approach is to not invent wheels. Just adapt them. In the categorization space OCLC are a big monster with lots and lots of people who understand the Dewey Code. So when i read their blog, I see www.025.431.edu in the US space, and www.025.431.edu.au in Oz, and www.025.431.ac.uk, etc. We have a way to fix and connect the nodes, and direct people to their nearest pop. As to why the professions don't interact. That's pretty easy to answer. What a stupid question! Don't you know anything? Please don't interrupt us with such silly questions. Can't yu see we're busy (in this case) classifying things? Why aren't you impressed? Can't you see how big our database is? We're too busy delivering to do any pick ups. It's enough to make one go buy a mobile phone, and ignore everything else. |
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Hi and thanks so much George, Just going through your forum posts, so take for granted this takes in your comment (great to have a conference where a few weeks after things have ended, we can still dialogue) 6 hours later. I just wish we could have been having it since before you were down here for educationau's 'global summit', so we could start doing some connecting between some international global groups with similar interests. The problem, as yu say, isn't "ideas expressed in different spaces", diversity rules OK. But if we achieve in finding a way to bring together ideas we personally desire, so what? Great for the ego but a "centralized individual" is about as useless as an isolated node. Less centralization? Absolutely. But a billion individual blogs all pumping out their personal ideas is a frightening proposition. Ideas without connections = zero knowledge. Bright minds, like your own, can't exhaust themselves going round the world answering the same questions again and again, and then havng the remote conferences materials buried all over cyberspace. We gotta start using the tools. Connectivism is a great story (not a bad book either). In the abstract its great. And it's funny that I prefer global communities whereas yu prefer global networks because you're far more of an communitarian and I'm more a geek. But we both seem to want the same things. So would yu do me a favour? Have a read through these earlier posts, and give it some thought. If you can't see how the pipes and nodes might be reconfigured then I'm lost. I've got 90 days to rehash a patent which stands between an info-centric Yank and comms-centric Nipponese, so i could really use this community's feedback. If we're ever going to see some tunnels between the institutional caves, and pathways between their remote global groups (and common communities), then we need some good web designers/programmers and some decent telco engineers, and a formula that helps them tweak the pipes so media - content and communication - can go back and forth between nodes, like AC rather than DC. After all, that's all that can pass between them. |
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Just rereading this one, and it dropped that you were talking about "the power of culture". So the question you're asking is "how do we create learners who are capable of adapting to any culture?" I think you're quite right. It is the question for any learning theory in a globalizing world; pieces of knowledege, and their value, are so different from one place to another. You asked, or at least you infer, that it needs to be a commercial model. I guess the thing I see is this. If funding is dictated by government and businesses, then the thing which influences their agendas is Media. And one thing we do know is that Media is attempting to change from a broadcasted push to an interactive pull. The only thing that academia doesn't do is count the readership, or viewers. If you wanted to be commercial yo can charge advertising or sponsorships, as global schools do. But this should be, with Google's input (as one), a lot more capable of making pennies, if they thought like media people instead of teachers. The only thing missing then is the idea of building online environments for a bunch of different nationalities - teachers, students, employers. The idea is here, but where they talk about "building websites", people would be directed to something like takingitglobal an environment. It may not be the best way to help people understand different cultures. But it would certainly help them understand how limited the one they live in is. Might even learn a language or two, which is the first step in connecting. Then the only huge cultural limitation to be overcome is the one which has teachers believing that, by lecturing, they inspire students to learn. |
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Hi Alex, It's never too late. I agree with you about "if we concentrated more on what we desired". That's why George's Connectivism is such an attraction. We all know that the institutional networks are stagnant and suck. The question is, what desires drive the new networks; on what basis are their remote groups connecting?. We can all talk about the theory forever. The only point i emphasize is that a new network's 'virtual org' (as some people talk about these things) needs to actually do something if it is to be sustainable. When ever i have these discussions, people pop out of the woodwork (usually below the radar) and are so enthusiastic about some new kind of network. I hope yu dont mind Frederica, if i use you as an example (Right! Sometimes reading together works though: www.groundreport.com. Thanks for your response. Let's stay in touch.. Want to start building an international youth website with some teenagers. www.yebo.org YEBO! Youth Enjoying Better Options!) It's so inspiring, but i just can't see these ideas having legs unless groups in one network connect with groups in another. E'g. If I wanted to push Frederica's idea, which is just terrific, i'd say great, let's connect yebo's groups with those in one here. Just think of all your groups and the networks they have to span (no. of signons yu, or your computer, have to remember). The problem we do have is that the Web is a huge unclassified library full of institutional websites and format orientated domains (blogs, wikis, utubes, etc). Even though the technology is there to put together any kind of virtual network, across the harder wired ones, a global group might want, the real trouble is how to connect the slices, so peers can find peers and get along to getting something done. And more importantly, is fixed enough, so the virtual networks, or grids as geeks call them, don't get lost in cyberspace after a particular project's funding runs out. Depends what a global group may desire I guess. So it' s always helpful to have a vision. But then you have to have a directory. Otherwise all you do is search, and find peers who, like yourself, want to Connect. |
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Hi SIMON!( How do you like to be called?) Good to hear YOUR response on this one: "...Let's stay in touch.. Want to start building an international youth website with some teenagers. www.yebo.org YEBO! Youth Enjoying Better Options!)" -Azania "It's so inspiring, but i just can't see these ideas having legs unless groups in one network connect with groups in another. E'g. If I wanted to push Frederica's idea, which is just terrific, i'd say great, let's connect yebo's groups with those in one here. Just think of all your groups and the networks they have to span (no. of signons yu, or your computer, have to remember.) ... The problem we do have is that the Web is a huge unclassified library full of institutional websites and format orientated domains (blogs, wikis, utubes, etc). Even though the technology is there to put together any kind of virtual network, across the harder wired ones, a global group might want, the real trouble is how to connect the slices, so peers can find peers and get along to getting something done. And more importantly, is fixed enough, so the virtual networks, or grids as geeks call them, don't get lost in cyberspace after a particular project's funding runs out.
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I do know one teacher in upstate NY, whom I met through an online social networking tool... "BC..something???" Who knows??? She works with teens and is interested in working with youth from Kamenge, Burundi, Central Africa, where I do my online volunteer www.nabuur.com work, CHECK US OUT!
Anyway...we need an "academic," and, youth oriented instrument for web 2.0 networking; ...and, the site www.yebo.org ( ...I have hosting.) SO ... LET'S GO!
PLEASE, ALL...LET'S STAY IN TOUCH, ON THIS ONE, please.
Pax,
Frederica Azania Clare www.azania.org
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OK, and thanks Frederica, So long as we keep the conversation above the radar I can remember where i put you in my head, and keep track of our threads. Simon's fine. So you know where my roots are. Yu should know that this forum in Oz, although not terribly impressive, has a sister company owned by our state and federal ministers of education. So I've focussed on it as it's one step, and about the only one in our country, that might get serious about lifelong learning; at least as serious as Europeans are getting now. nabuur.com is just wonderfully inspiring, and yebo times out for me. Let me say from the start that I just can't see any initiative having legs at the moment because of this habit of settin up another web site for some small demography or geography or group; not because the will and passion isn't there. (Just click on Virginia's name and see her interests as one example). It's simply that we don't have a classification system (directories) for these online books, magazines, brochures and dictionaries (web sites, utubes, blogs and wikipedias) just yet. The last thing I think we need is an "academic instrument" because the instruments academics have, and the routines they employ, while terrific for providing for the pre web world, are too limited for the next generation. Like (forgive me) George, the more energetic ones bounce around professional worlds giving lectures, and will do everything to advance an inspiring message but follow their own advice. They simply will not connect, above the radar, in one place, regularly. I can't blame them, most (certainly the energetic ones) are overloaded by the info like everyone, and they attract people out of the woodwork full of interest and energy so they are doubly overwhelmed. So the reaction to someone like me, prior to George's trip down here, asking him to converse with some people he would be lecturing to, at the edna groups' forum, and have a pre, during, and post conference in a place like this, and start linking them so global groups coud start synching their learning, just never gets a start up. The chapters of an interesting digital story get buried in institutional web sites and lie scattered around cyberspace. Just samo, samo, repeated ad (academic) infintum, due to an inability to shake the old (physical) routines and media structures. Enough. Thanks for letting me get this of my chest. I have roots which I have put down in three (country domainal) forums. The relative ones for this conversation are here (.ca), edna (.au) and labspace (.uk). Labspace is the one with most potential as, although very new, it's UK's Open Uni's development area for moodle stuff like this. And 2m students/year give an .edu org a good grounding in distance learning. If you (or anyone) have a (preferably moodle based, although it's not that important) forum in other countries that you inhabit regularly, please let me know. I'd really like to try and start connecting the dots, or 'slicing between nodes' if you are a bit geekish (like me). |
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Frederica, Please, above the radar. In reply to your 8th march email. Hi Simon.
Glad you are interested in building www.yebo.org.
Of coruse I am not a geek. I trust your judgement.
What kind of free platforms, wiithin the web, should we try then, for the kids?How's this, for one: http://thinkature.com/home/ ?
Pax,Azania I'm not sure what you are trying to acheive, so it's impossible to give you an opinion on where to start. I'd need some idea of your target audience's demographic, usual bandwidth, interests, etc. If they're a little older, and they have an interest, like yourself, in doing more than having an academic chat, (i.e helping developing countries) you might find this one a good starting point. It's home is in Canada, but they've spread well since seeding from the world bank quite a few years ago. You'll find a bunch of people who range from youngsters to reps at the World Bank, and other UN agencies. I'd suggest you see if it's not too slow at your end. Their grid, the connections between their global nodes, is a bit 'lumpy'; sometimes fast, sometimes slow. There's an aweful lot in it. If you do as i tend to; give it one hour every 3 days to get a feel for the environment. It'll take about 2 weeks (my normal) to feel at home, and see who might help you advance your ideas. I haven't been around there for a few years, since it started, but it's one of the best for connections in this realm of interest. Do us a favour. I can't see this forum being of much use as a place to put some Canadian roots. Would you, when you make yourself at home ay TIG, come over to this forum and tell my Aussie community what you're up to. As I said before, I'm more than happy to help if I can, but i do need to keep my conversations above the radar, due to my lousy memory. Cheers. |
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Dear Jacinta, I have to start my reply to your discussion about definitions of community, network and system with one of my favs from AN Whitehead. "In the Garden of Eden Adam saw the animals before he named them: in the traditional (school) system, children named the animals before they saw them". I find it's easier to progress a conversation if I understand and share someone's philosophy; the words we use to clarify it being incidental. The Internet is simply, in my mind, a general term for a bunch of networks that share a layer called Internet Protocol. The systems you talk about, quite rightly, are the routines of institutions; the name having so many interpretations. The routines of institutions are so varied - so many unspoken values are attached to them. The routines of university, for example, will value conferences, white papers, peer review, global research, as opposed to the emphasis on set classes, constant lectures, exams and personal development in schools. You would probably call them two systems of education, while I'd call them institutions as they are never 'hard wired'. They can change in an instant as the value ascribed to routines rise and fall. The problem of finding balance between any two institutions, as you've found out with these two, are that students "have connected and networked (from the conference)". They already have a sense of community which began with their common interest in the subjects covered by a Uni. So we can see that the old institution, of their lecturers being a step ahead, is a furphy. We are watching a new institution with its new routines and values struggling to work it's way out of the irrelevant routines of old institutions; like those of the university 'system'. I can only agree with you about "make our students aware of the systems, learn how a system functions". A teacher's role is always about helping learners to learn. Most of the time these days they are learning (like us) the old institutions are pretty well irrelevant. Lifelong learning is the only mantra that counts now that "serial regurgutation" has proved almost entirely useless in a post industrial world. Your last sentence is fascinating. "we need to give students the tools", say you and i on a university moodle, which hasn't even the basic navigational elements of a learning environment. "to mediate and access information embedded in systems and networks" says you after finding out your students have already picked the conference info up. "mediate and negotiate understanding of what that information means", or what we think it means, and through our own intellectual rigour, impart good habits and (hopefully) truths. "have an understanding and awareness of where they are in a network and system" . Definitely, although i think this is where the use of the name system (as opposed to institution) is a danger. 'System', by definition, means so many things; the greatest confusion being created by the difference between "an arrangement of things" and "an arrangement of principles". You might think you're pointing at a taxonomy but the uneducated might interpret what you mean as something which can never change. Looking at the habit of very bright minds and eloquent lecturers running around the world to attend conferences, never linking between them, and always working furiously to "wrap up" with a report or peer reviewed paper, while never counting the regos or viewers of their community's media; Hmmm, maybe you're right. |
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Hi Stephen, I hope you can help me with this cause the only way that I can understand what you might mean by networks is that it's a personal thing. You say "A network isn't like some kind of club. No girls allowed. There's no code, language, proper form of address, format, username or password. These are things that characterize groups. The pervasive use of these things actually breaks the network. How, for example, can we think outside the domains of groupthink if we're restricted by vocabulary or format?" To me, as I surf around a lot of network's domains, and lurk aound their forums, learning their group's jargon, code and meaning, sometimes I register with a password. As i have done here. So it's easy to think outside the group think. But without understanding the that vocab around here is very different than if i was talking to the guys/girls at say webjunction, who talk about very similar things although in a different way, we wouldn't be able to communicate. Even moreso if I was to use Spanish. Prior on you say "There are no mechanisms 'necessary' in order to access and participate in the collective wisdom. You connect how you connect. Yet the connections you are talking about are based on the format of media a person might prefer, and whether one prefers to be active or interactive. Until you get to the example of Olsen, where you're telling us "murder is part of the communicative network". But knowledge of it is why we lock murderers away. To "participate in the collective wisdom", means it's open but we must have some (moral) boundaries. It's also hard making mechanisms as intuitive as possible; navigation having so many logical forms, depending on it's Science. You finish, "networks are open". This kind of blows me away, getting back to what Glen was saying earlier, about democracy being enhanced by interactive group spaces like this. You see, I think they are. But the ones in the .gov domain are usually closed while the .edu ones are (so)slowly opening (to one another). Intranet means closed network. And while the inhabitants of one are making policy, the other is making curricula, although two processes are almost indistinguishable. Either way, if a democracy is to work we have to classify things into compartments, and give them a memory. Call them agencies or institutions or universities or libraries. They all have their separate networks and domains. Regardless, these days they're all globalizing. The noticeable thing is those which do the most self promotion do the least inter-connecting. I guess they just don't get Connectivism. OK, please tell me where my thinking has gone awry. |
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Thanks for this Ray,(and Virginia, thanks even more) Can I simply say yo! and start here'; "to find models that bridge the proprietary nature of traditional intranets and nodes". I'm just thinking in the .edu domains, or to be specific, each countries NREN (National Research and Education Networks) - Canarie in Canada, INternet2 in the US, Aarnet in Australia, etc. The model which is being used by network builders to overcome the institutional silo effect is called grid/virtual org model. I'll just point to planet labs site to give you an idea of their perspective. If you click on projects you'll get an idea of "cutting slices between institutional networks". So far as virtual room stuff is concerned, Accessgrid is a good illustration of the model in action. In the "consortia of learning object repositories", it's equivilant would be something like LOCKSS or OMN. One is comms centric, one is info centric, and never the twain doth meet. The point I've been trying to explain (badly) is that the grids are always attached to semantically classified nodes, and repositories are usually buried on an institutional name or maybe something like globalschoolnet. So unless one knows, they can never be discovered. Whereas what we are attempting to do is classify the network nodes on behalf of global peers or working groups, by the content passing through them, and give them a fixed spot in cyberspace. So, with a little direction from a librarian and a little browsing, a global student or teacher has a chance of finding some interesting up-to -date (and old) repositories and connecting with a particular community of interest. Meantime, the virtual network (i.e.grid) and application builders need a way to say, "which node on which NREN needs to be connected and fixed, so (say) Connectivism's communities of interest might find one another, regardless of what country they come from, which language is their first, and share their communications and store their repositories". My thinking leads me to look towards a new third tier domain; the second tier if youré in Nth America, groups.edu. and adapt an old taxonomy like the DDC to classify nodes in each country's NREN. It gives me hope people can find the content and peers they want a little easier. I think people and institutions are quite happy to let the boundaries fall, so long as they can put some less restictive institutions in their place. |
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"Aw dad, email is soooo twentieth century". That's the one a friend got from his kid a few years ago. But I know what yu mean. It would be nice to have each message on the one thread, in a digest, like I receive daily from over here. Is that connectivism in action? Helps keep things together a bit better for me. Still, u know how it is for those youngsters. It's about environment, not messages. We're showing our age. Seems like we're chalk and cheese on the assembly line analogy. Works Ok for eteaching, but from the little I've reflected on from george's book, it makes me think Connectivism is about elearning, so there's no 'line' on the components, just webs (of networks). I'm with yu though on the isolated hard drive being pretty useless in itself (except mine of course, around which the universe revolves). In geekdom, you'd appreciate, a big disc is partitioned and a space on it given an IP address, and directed to, today, by a semantic domain name, In English of course (we don't want foreigners getting uppity). So, as far as peers being made capable of tracking down the spaces of global peers, that idea of using the dewey code to connect them, is simply systemizing the slicing between discs, so peers can share their CPU's as well as their files. I'm just watching the evolution of one way, national, institution-centric media to a model that is global, interactive, multi-media-centric around groups. So regardless of whether we're talking radio, TV, text or whatever, I know i can go to one place and ask it's librarians and community what's new, and old. At the moment, as you say, the present media is far to centralized and controlled. Broadcast is in the main boring, but it's what we've inherited. Just imagine if we took these networks and starting running conferences as you see them, regularly, and just for a change, kept the virtual room's libraries with their associated communication nodes. |
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Thanks Karyn, Not sure what u mean by "what's new here is the inclusion of technological nodes in the network". From my perspective, the stringing together of nodes IS a network. So we don't have to get geekish, node = domain. In our immediate case http://ltc.umanitoba.ca. And a node can (appear to) connect comms as well as info. Check out this skype forum. Of course you'd need to have one of these buttons to help connect. ![]() We certainly agree on the P+P+t though. ![]() |
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Hi Folks! http://www.villagetalk.net/faq/one-question?entry_id=4998 JUST TESTING A REPLY by adding SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. Hope the LINK works! Pax, Azania: http://www.villagetalk.net/faq/one-question?entry_id=4998 |
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Now Frederica, Please! No more below the radar. And please don't go to my Aussie site. It's the wrong context for connecting with the communities who can complement your yebo Initiative. I only pointed there to give you some idea of what trainers in Oz talk about. The hardest thing, if you want to turn Connectivism in theory into Connectivism in practice, is finding the right context. In my limited knowledge, I've already pointed yu to the context which could help you advance yebo. I appreciate your suggestion of the villagetalk approach. But that is just a tool for connecting with an institution's academic community, like this one. It's not a tool for communicating with an established global community who want to, by connecting, effect a real change in people's living. So I'll say again. THIS is the right forum if you want connect with people with the same things in mind as yourself; to help " Poor youth...internationally; 12 y.o. to 22; especially, black youth in Africa, and the African diaspora..." It IS a challenge to get orientated at any site. This one is no different. But TIG can help you having to reinvent a wheel. You would have found, if you'd taken the effort after registering, that their boards are here. You will find their groups here. You'll find their projects here. So please! Let's not overstay our welcome here. George has been kind enough to put this place up, and it's such a rare occurance in the academic space I'm feeling guilty that our discussion is hindering it's development. At least we may have given some practical illustration of connectivism in action. So principle 1, we might say, is find the right context. OK. No more emails. No more entries on this moodle. If you want to connect. 1 = register at TIG. 2 = find a project, group(s) and their board. 3 = Make an entry on an appropriate board to tell people what you're up to. 4 = Send me a link to it. I'm sorry to be abrupt but if you can't do this then we can't connect in any meaningful way. |
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Thanks George, Stephen, Virginia, And excuse me for being abrupt. I really would like to help Frederica, and she's sent me a bunch of stuff below the radar about what's she's trying to do. This doesn't mean we're going away. It just means that when F gets over there and starts to meet the established community at TIG (and sends me a link), we'll be able to do more with her YEBO idea than here. The one thing i have so much problem in overcoming is this idea that just because we go off to another site to do something, we're somehow being disloyal. And I refuse to use email because it confuses and overwhelms me. It's just so bloody silly but a product of the way that web sites have developed. E.g You know i tried to get educationau to run this kind of ongoing conference in Oz, but because yu and other speakers didn't register and start talking with the edna community, the silo mentality remains. (Not in the community; like Stephen they're all over the web, but with the techs building the network and attempting to understand our community's demands). My situation is that I know enough about IP networks (and grids) to understand that the biggest problem for all global .edu communities is that we have no directory for the environments of similar global communities of practice. And rather than going into what i mean here, you might check out the last comment to Joe at Webjunction (which is a part of the OCLC monster) And thanks again. If you think you're going to get rid of me, when i read something like this from Virginia, "if we can begin to categorize systems, communities, and networks, we can cross boarders, institutions, and create deeper levels of knowledge by determining ways to access the knowledge embedded in the various levels" , think again. The only mistake you make Virginia, which kinda makes everything work, is that, on a grid, if one node goes down, the others take up the load. Really like this though, "I would say that the conference was an example of networks, the follow-up discussions, especially those that have gone beyond the conference period, are the beginning of communitY". cheers |
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> I'm sorry to be abrupt but if you can't do this then we can't connect in any meaningful way. Hmph. My way or the highway? |

