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Week 4 discussions
by George Siemens - Monday, 29 September 2008, 02:31 AM
This week turns to discussing the history of network learning...post away
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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Frances Bell - Tuesday, 30 September 2008, 02:34 AM
  I thought that I would post my most-referred source on networked learning, the CSALT guidelines (Goodyear et al)

learning in which information and communications technology (ICT) is used to promote connections: between one learner and other learners, between learners and tutors; between a learning community and its learning resources.

This reference is from 1999 but still very relevant.
Check out their list (extracted by me, read their full, explained list in ref above)

Claimed strengths of networked learning

  • Interactive, but flexible
  • Promotes active engagement
  • Reflective, aiding ‘deeper’ processing
  • Permanent record
  • New opportunities for group working
  • Social interaction
  • Ease of access to global resources
  • Under-represented groups
  • Changing relationships in learning

Limitations of networked learning

  • Lack of expressive richness
  • No immediacy
  • Prolonged decision-making
  • Requires technical access and competence
  • A different style of communication
  • Levels of discourse may be at odds
  • Depersonalising effects (more analytical/judgmental)
  • Need for shared goal(s) to sustain activity
I think that many of these are relevant to this current experiment in network(ed) learning.
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Re: Week 4 discussions
by George Siemens - Tuesday, 30 September 2008, 12:14 PM
Hi Frances,

I have encountered the CSALT link before, but completely overlooked it for this course. Thanks for sharing.

As you stated, the resource is a bit dated in parts, but still includes many valuable considerations of networked learning.

My main criticism of the article is that it considers networked learning at primarily the physical/infrastructural level. While this is one way in which we can see learning as networked, it is not the complete picture. I've been promoting a view in this course that we see learning as being networked in different ways. The physical infrastructure is a start, but it doesn't really provide insight into conceptual development. If we formulate networked learning on such narrow principles, it will have a very short life indeed.
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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Frances Bell - Tuesday, 30 September 2008, 02:35 PM
  I don't think it does just consider physical infrastructure. The part that I used most was the model, and physical infrastructure is only a small part of that.
model
It is true that it is aimed at HE and the teacher's mindset and design objectives are preeminent. On the other hand, it considers organisational context, task and activity - very useful for considering conceptual development.
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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Sui Fai John Mak - Tuesday, 30 September 2008, 10:24 PM
 

Hi Frances,

That's interesting.

We have been using the competency based training for some time in Australia.  The issues and challenges include:

(a) competencies are dynamic - one could be competent today but it does not guarantee competency sometime in the near future.  So the concept of competency is sometimes viewed with scepticism even from the academia (even professors think the mere competency is not good enough, especially in higher education).  Also, competency framework may not fit into some areas such as religion, as well as certain disciplines in Higher Education.  So the emphasis has now shifted towards life based learning and life long learning in order to stay competent.

(b) the current debate on what is competency and how it is derived deserves a review on its basis - competencies are developed by industry, for industry.  But how about the learners, the educators and trainers, the community, the employers etc.  What do they think?  We need to see competencies from a broader perspective - and most importantly a learner's perspective as well.  Because learners are the focus of education and learning.  Learners should have more control over what, when, how, where and who they would like to learn with or from and achieve those competencies.  And the employers would also like to have a say on this because they are the ones who would employ and appraise their employees.

(c) from the learner's point of view - many teens and adults acquire learning through informal learning.  Some people argue that such informal learning are far richer and more valuable to formal learning.  And it could be true (subject to more qualification)!  Let's look at Bill Gates, Li Ka Shing who are great entreprenuers.  And they admitted that their best learning occurred when they are in the society, not in the institutions.  Informal learning, however, could also be complemented and enriched with formal learning throughout one's life.

(d) We often found that numerous informal learning does not fit into our formal learning frameworks and networks.  How are we going to map those informal learning into the formal qualification framework.  Quite a challenge.  Just like putting square pegs into round holes.  They may not match.  And so, people think about recognition.  But it is far from easy.... The learner needs to present the evidence in portfolio, or the assessors have to collect such evidence from the learners, or a combination of these..because we are trying to capture informal learning and re-format them into formal learning.  Again, we need to think about the value of such recognition to learners, from a learner's perspective.

(e) when it comes to network learning, informal and formal learning are coming from the neural, conceptual and social level for individuals, irrespective of the mode of learning.  It may all happen in the brain of the individual (learner) first, I suppose.  It could also be initiated by a stimulus to response to a problem at a social level, an immediate "threat" or an educational issue from community or society which calls for attention.  A hen and egg problem, which comes first?  But the society may think that the best solution to such problem or educational issue is to ask the experts first - and that's why we have educational reform proposals, proposals on teaching and learning theories. That's the way how education has been developed based on experience and a scientific approach throughout the past.

(f)  Under the existing education framework, the teachers will consider the teaching strategies and teaching/learning process first, because teachers are there to "teach" - our typical mindset.  This is because we have to fit into a curriculum, under the direction of Board of Studies, if the education and training and the qualification is to be validated within an educational institution. This is mandatory, not an option.  Agree?surprise 

(g) But with a network learning approach, all stakeholders will be involved and engaged, and these will greatly affect the infrastructure of education and the way teaching or facilitation is carried out, how learning occurs and how it is recognised.  So the focus will be back to learning, both formal and informal, not only teaching.  And this could be a huge challenge to educators and learners!

So my next question may be: How could connectivism add value to education and training?  To you, and to your learners...though I know that there is a topic in later part of the course... or we will postpone the discussion if you want.  George and Stephen: what do you think?

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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Jon Kruithof - Wednesday, 1 October 2008, 11:25 AM
 

So my next question may be: How could connectivism add value to education and training?  To you, and to your learners...though I know that there is a topic in later part of the course... or we will postpone the discussion if you want.  George and Stephen: what do you think?

I'm not either George or Stephen, but maybe the simple answer is that competencies and skills based training under connectivism would let the learner make their own decisions about where to find new knowledge and the learner building their own network of "informants" who will keep the learner up to date with new developments in the field.

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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Sui Fai John Mak - Wednesday, 1 October 2008, 04:16 PM
 

Hi Jon,

Thanks for your insights. 

So the value proposition could be:

learners make their own decisions

learners build their own network(s)

learners kept up to date with new developments

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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Om Design - Friday, 3 October 2008, 11:36 PM
  Add to that (perhaps)

The Network serves as permanent repository of the learning path.

So additional autonomy and freedom of learning expression results in an assessment of competency based upon all recorded activities.

Social interaction, creative projects and learning style thus recorded also help define the branches on the learner's "tree of life" which might lead to more effective selection by employers, more honest evaluations of one's goals vs talents, and an opportunity based outlook on lifelong learning - and show gaps in baseline understanding.

B. Gates was indeed a college dropout, but a white male affluent one, raised in a veritable sea of opportunity and information experiences, moving through an institution that did not then have the tools to keep pace with external development. He has proven himself to be a ruthless and petulant opportunist which is completely aligned with his academic history. His "Tree" could probably have predicted the substance of his career.

Scrapping the "traditional" approach doesn't mean that everyone is cast adrift either. I think it means we realize the Earth is round and expect to see students return on the other horizon - if you don't mind the metaphor.
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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Sui Fai John Mak - Saturday, 4 October 2008, 12:06 AM
 

Om,

Great ideas.  Thanks

Further value proposition:

Network serves as permanent repository of the learning path

Autonomy and freedom of learning expression results in assessment of competency based on all recorded activities

Social interaction, creative projects and learning style recorded

Have I missed anything?

Cheers

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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Alan Levine - Wednesday, 8 October 2008, 02:11 AM
  No really a direct reply as my travel schedule the last 4 weeks have made CCK08 a peripheral experience, but to make it easier to listen to the Friday sessions, I packaged the first 4 as a .mb4 file (iTunes Audiobook)-- this is so when I have them sync-ed with my iPhone/iPod, they show up as audio books rather than mixed in with my music (an din this format ir remembes where you were listening if you take a break).

I've put this file on the Internet archive0 if George and Stephen object (I tossed in Canadian CC) let me know.

http://www.archive.org/details/CCK08_Fridays_Audiobook
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Re: Week 4 discussions
by Stephen Downes - Wednesday, 8 October 2008, 06:38 AM
  Thanks Alan - and using Internet Archive was a great idea.