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To take the discussion away from math and learning theory and ground it in some history, I am wondering if anyone has an interpretation of some bad collectives. Collectives under the Soviet system seemed to work well. Kibbutz's too. |
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The Soviet System - you mean the propaganda machine that lead us to believe things were fine, until the money ran out Soviet System? Collectives that work well in history will not be found as far as I am concerned. Unless you are taking away basic human freedoms, such as individuality, and the self. People have a desire to be heard, to be recognized, most of us may only be drones our entire lives, but many wish for more... |
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The "collectives" discussed in this week's article seem to be based on lack of intentionality, and the aggregation of tagging and such. I'm not sure there's enough to attack that historically, is there? Oh, and the Borg is a bad collective.  |
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You're joking, right, on the Soviet collectives?! New York City housing co-op boards are notorious as bad collectives. I could add that the NYC city school districts are bad collectives, too. Filled with the loony left. Imagine, spending $100,000 on consultants to force-feed "fuzzy math" to kids. "Curriculum development -- covering a multitude of sins. |
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Catherine, I was wondering out load about comparisons of private/peasant land ownership and agricultural output and "quality of life" versus the collective agricultural procuess under the Soviets. I have not read any historical studies of how the two systems compare. Yes, the Soviets did kill off the kulaks. But was this done be other agriculturalists int he community or a centrally controlled initiative. If locals activally participated, then this is not much different than the Rwanadian genocide. If locals did not participate, then how did collectivie farming work out. I seem to recall great strides in agricultural output especially int he 1950s but then they pushed the envelop to far (literally north and east) and the system somehwat imploded forceing the Societs to import grain. Was collective farming policy/system adminstration to blame or bad weather or a lack of incentives in collective farming? I have not read anything on the subject since the opening of the Soviet archives. I am sort of networking to you as a Russian translator as opposed to Googling the subject (yet another subject to Google and wade through). Kibbutz's have their own probelms with a kind of adoption of a "frontier" mentallity (especially kibbutz's formed after the 67 war) that can be at odds with the greater "group" (Isreal). |